NSFW Pod 026 - Natasha Nacre

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[00:00:00] Matthew Holliday: Good day, everyone. And welcome back to the not safe for work photography podcast. There are thousands of models and photographers, creating adult content, using modern platforms, taking control of their own creative lives. Today we're interviewing Natasha Nacre or Goddess Natasha. Natasha is the Washington DC vampire. 

She performs, she models. She doesn't go out during the day and she has a set of teeth by father Sebastian. How are you doing tonight, Natasha? 

[00:00:28] Natasha Nacre: I'm doing fabulous. And thank you for the opportunity to talk all about myself. 

[00:00:34] Matthew Holliday: I mean, who doesn't love that? 

[00:00:36] Natasha Nacre: Right? I love it. 

[00:00:41] Matthew Holliday: One of the reasons that I really wanted to interview Natasha is related to a common theme. I've been hearing from both models and photographers. That theme is that it's really difficult to make a living, just being a bottle of photog. Most seemed to have side gigs a lot, have day jobs. So tonight we're going to discuss modeling a bit, but we're also going to dive into some of the side hustles that may be kind of adjacent to doing nude and adult work. 

Sasha, we're going to start off with the modeling questions. Would you say that modeling is your primary gig or is it just kind of one among many? 

[00:01:18] Natasha Nacre: definitely one among many. I would love for it to be my main focus, but I have bills to pay. It's not going to happen, so I love it, but it's a creative outlet for me. 

[00:01:31] Matthew Holliday: That makes sense. I think the only models I've spoken to where it's a full-time gig and they're not, you know, in like the fashion industry or something, they're either doing video work or they're traveling. Does that kind of jive with what you've seen in the past? 

[00:01:45] Natasha Nacre: From what I've seen. Yes. Those that are able to support themselves with just modeling or are doing a lot of traveling. Yeah. Yeah. I would totally agree with that. 

[00:01:56] Matthew Holliday: Kind of on that vein. This has come up once or twice in the podcast, but I get the feeling that a lot of models income comes from guys with camera. And on one hand, like if you go on like the model mayhem forums or other places, there's a lot of kind of derisive like, oh, he's just a guy with a camera. But on the other hand, it sounds like guys with cameras are paying an awful lot of bills. 

[00:02:22] Natasha Nacre: I'm totally okay with the guy with camera. I mean, nowadays you look at your cell phone and you're able to take fantastic images just with that. So. Really, how are you able to gauge? Who's a professional, real photographer and who's just a guy who's having fun. I mean, I'm kind of just having fun. So I real model, or am I just a, a chick in front of a camera? 

[00:02:47] Matthew Holliday: Yeah. The only difference is the bulge. Well, nevermind. 

[00:02:52] Natasha Nacre: Well, yeah, there's, there's the motivation behind it as well. That, well, unfortunately I've come across professional photographers that weren't on the up and up either. So you gotta be careful no matter what. 

[00:03:05] Matthew Holliday: yeah, it wasn't there that big story a couple of years ago about Terry Richardson 

[00:03:08] Natasha Nacre: Ooh, that was a mess. Yeah. 

[00:03:11] Matthew Holliday: yeah, there's been an awful lot of that. A lot of that you can be super talented and also a slime ball 

[00:03:17] Natasha Nacre: Oh yeah, absolutely. At least in my experience, it's few and far between, 

[00:03:22] Matthew Holliday: what aesthetic do you typically try and portray? 

[00:03:25] Natasha Nacre: I like to create the images that are inside of my head. It's like, Beauty destroyed. I love, I love the glamour, but I love the horror of it. I love contacts. I love garish makeup. I love sharp things. I don't want to be the pretty girl. I want to be other worldly. I want to be monstrous. 

[00:03:53] Matthew Holliday: Hmm. It definitely seems like something that's tough to do. I mean, it's pretty easy to do horror and it's pretty easy. You pretty, 

[00:04:03] Natasha Nacre: Right. I've had a bit of a difficult time walking the line because some people are like, oh, why want you to be a literal monster? I'm like, yeah, that's not exactly what I do. And then other people are like, I want you to do glamour. I want you to be beautiful. Like, no, I'm not actually comfortable doing that either. 

I want to be right in between them. 

[00:04:27] Matthew Holliday: Hmm. 

[00:04:28] Natasha Nacre: Something that makes you uncomfortable, but at the same time, captures your imagination. 

[00:04:36] Matthew Holliday: How much control over that? Do you have as a model? Is it, is it more about choosing the photographers to work with and giving them your vision? Or is it more about just all may accepting work that kind of fits within those veins? 

[00:04:50] Natasha Nacre: I tend to want to help facilitate the photographer's image. So if they have an idea in mind that they want to create, I'm fully supportive of that. Whether or not I'm a hundred percent happy with it. I would, I would love to just do my own thing all the time, but come on. That's not how it really works in the world. 

It has to be a bit of give and take sometimes. 

[00:05:17] Matthew Holliday: If somebody reached out to you and they wanted to shoot like a pure glamour fashion thing, widget declined that, or would you be like, sure, but I'm bringing my fangs. 

[00:05:29] Natasha Nacre: I think it depends whether or not they'd be willing to pay me because just getting in pretty in front of the camera for, you know, time for pictures. No, no, that, that doesn't really appeal to me. No. 

[00:05:44] Matthew Holliday: yeah. I mean, that goes for all of our jobs. Right. I don't show up for work just because I love sitting at a desk. 

[00:05:51] Natasha Nacre: Absolutely. No matter how wonderful the outcome is, if I'm not fully supportive of it, then, you know, no, my heart's not going to be in it. And I kind of feel that it reflects in the images as well, that if I'm not having fun, it looks like I'm not fully there. I don't know. That's probably just all in my head, but that's. 

[00:06:14] Matthew Holliday: this, this boundary between glamour and whore. You had mentioned that you are the Washington DC of empire and you have a set of teeth from father Sebastian. So I assume these two things are related. 

[00:06:26] Natasha Nacre: Indeed years ago. Gosh, I, I don't even know how long ago I, I started with the, the cheap plastic things that you would get at the spirit Halloween store and just fell in love with the drama and the feel of it. Let's the easiest way to have a body modification. You just pop them in and suddenly you're different. 

And that grew into me going to an anime convention and running into a Fang Smith called horror show Jack, who was amazing. And then I went to another thing, Smith and another thing, Smith. And then I was in Germany and father Sebastian was there vending at we've gotten drafted. And I had him make me some teeth and I'm just a total thing addict. 

[00:07:18] Matthew Holliday: So I didn't realize there was such an organization. Thanks man. 

[00:07:24] Natasha Nacre: It is a big thing. And there are many, okay. There's not really that many out there, but there are good ones. It is not hard to find a good one. There are also not good ones, but you know, you put around, look for reviews, you'll be fine. Or ask me, 

[00:07:45] Matthew Holliday: What does the vampire subculture about? 

[00:07:47] Natasha Nacre: I think that everybody has a different motivation behind it. I've seen some that are engaging in it because of, because of being part of something, whether or not it's pretentious to feel better than other people or it's because the aesthetic appeals to them and others, so that they're all drawn to. 

There are those that feel that they, that they are an actual vampire, which I don't drink blood. Okay. That's their limits, you know, I know for me, it's definitely the aesthetic. It is the, the, the imagery of it. When you think of a vampire, what immediately comes to your head  

[00:08:38] Matthew Holliday: oh God, what's her name? Underworld like black leather blues and blacks as a palette. 

[00:08:48] Natasha Nacre: but that's, you know, kind of sexy, that's kind of dark. Right, 

[00:08:52] Matthew Holliday: It was for a much younger me. 

[00:08:54] Natasha Nacre: right. 

[00:08:55] Matthew Holliday: It still is. 

[00:08:58] Natasha Nacre: I think that's the first step into becoming interested in the whole vampire sub. No, it's a little dangerous, it's a little different. And then you start exploring a little bit more and you find your own interests and what you want to get out of it. 

And then you're in real deep and you end up being the Washington DC vampire. 

[00:09:19] Matthew Holliday: All right. That sounds fair. I mean, you just fell into it. 

[00:09:23] Natasha Nacre: Pretty much it wasn't planned. 

[00:09:24] Matthew Holliday: I'm sorry. I'm imagining the five-year-old who tells her mom, I want to be a vampire when I grow up and then they do 

[00:09:32] Natasha Nacre: I would not be surprised if I did that as a child. You know, when, when some kids will be like, I want to be a doctor, I want to be a ballerina and be like, what do you want to be? I want to be a fat, like, okay, you cannot be a bad, like, no, I'm pretty sure I'm going to be a bad. 

[00:09:50] Matthew Holliday: just watch me. I'm going to prove them all wrong. 

[00:09:53] Natasha Nacre: I was one of those kids. 

[00:09:56] Matthew Holliday: Well, I mean, you're better adjusted than Batman. Like I came out of it real, some real issues. 

[00:10:01] Natasha Nacre: Well, I'll take that as a compliment either way. 

[00:10:05] Matthew Holliday: I dunno that I like this next question. This is going to be a huge non-sequitur. 

[00:10:09] Natasha Nacre: Let's do it. 

[00:10:11] Matthew Holliday: do you have any favorite locations to shoot in DC? This is a personal question because I live outside of DC and I need to find good places to shoot in DC. 

[00:10:20] Natasha Nacre: Right. That's a hard one because as much as I do enjoy it's cliche cemeteries. 

[00:10:31] Matthew Holliday: believe that. 

[00:10:33] Natasha Nacre: I love it, but it's, it's hard to do it without drawing attention. And generally, if you contact the cemetery first saying, Hey, I would like to do a photo shoot. You know, it just immediately raises suspicion. They're like, no, you're not doing that. So. 

There are places that I enjoy, but at the same time in the back of my head, I'm like, oh, I really hope security doesn't come. 

[00:11:00] Matthew Holliday: Yeah, that's always the chance you're taking it whenever your shit in public, even if you're not shitting him with a model, everybody is so weird and sensitive, you know, post nine 11 people taking pictures of national landmarks. 

[00:11:11] Natasha Nacre: Absolutely. I've done my own photography projects and yeah, I'd had security come up to me. Like, what are you doing? Like I'm taking pictures of nature and like, well, you need to leave really, really? Okay. 

[00:11:28] Matthew Holliday: I know there's a up in Baltimore. They have that graffiti warehouse. 

[00:11:33] Natasha Nacre: warehouse. I love graffiti warehouse. 

[00:11:37] Matthew Holliday: Yeah. I've never been there 

[00:11:38] Natasha Nacre: Yeah, you should definitely go when they're doing one of their groups shoots. It's a lot of. 

[00:11:42] Matthew Holliday: Yeah. One of these days we've talked a little bit about the modeling thing. And of course, because we have to, this is technically a photography podcast. We have to talk a little bit about photography but you do a bunch of others. If you search your name and I was doing some research, I was not stocking. 

I swear. I came up with a couple of things that you were at the DC fetish ball this year  

[00:12:08] Natasha Nacre: I was, I generally am. As of like the last goodness, maybe eight years, a DC fetish ball and a few other big events in the area, either running my city in or performing on the stage. Yup. 

[00:12:25] Matthew Holliday: So what does that performance entail? Exactly. 

[00:12:28] Natasha Nacre: It's always difficult to describe because no performance is ever the same. they don't always go, even as I have planned, 

[00:12:39] Matthew Holliday: Hmm, 

[00:12:39] Natasha Nacre: Generally they involve swords or knives. 

[00:12:42] Matthew Holliday: interesting. You know what? I did see a post. Somebody posted you on Facebook talking about sword swallowing. 

[00:12:49] Natasha Nacre: Yeah. I'm not supposed to do that anymore. 

[00:12:52] Matthew Holliday: Why not. 

[00:12:56] Natasha Nacre: Okay. So the story behind that is DC fetish ball. I forget which year I was going to be the headline performer. And I had created this kind of burlesque act for lack of a better word. It literally moments before I'm to walk on stage. My outfits are it's falling apart. Like it was kept together by magnets and it had worked perfectly all the other times. 

I practiced the skit and it. Moments before getting on stage falls apart. So I go on stage in half of an outfit and the sword, and I'm totally, ad-libbing living this and I need, I need something to like really bring the energy up. So I throw my head back, stretch out my neck and put the sword down my throat. 

And I could see out of the corner of my eye, the promoter just bury his head and his hands. Cause he knows I'm not trained. Everybody loved it. But after that, I, I was told yeah, to stop doing dangerous things on stages. 

[00:14:13] Matthew Holliday: It's tough to paint dangerous things. 

[00:14:15] Natasha Nacre: I mean that, wasn't the only time I've done something like that, but that was kind of a big one. 

[00:14:20] Matthew Holliday: Okay. 

[00:14:22] Natasha Nacre: Yes, everybody out there don't swallow swords. If you don't know what you're doing do, as I say, not as. 

[00:14:29] Matthew Holliday: Yeah, that sounds about right. So what other types of performances do you do? You mentioned for less, you mentioned sort of swallowing. There's a Sipion show. 

[00:14:41] Natasha Nacre: I've done ones where I've poured hot wax on myself, including like in my mouth all over my tongue. Yeah, I've done with kind of, yeah, it basically was masturbating with knives. That one was fun, but also needed recovery time.  

[00:14:56] Matthew Holliday: I 

[00:14:58] Natasha Nacre: it's pretty much what you think 

[00:15:00] Matthew Holliday: all right. That's fair. 

[00:15:04] Natasha Nacre: a bowl enough 

[00:15:08] Matthew Holliday: That's fair. 

[00:15:10] Natasha Nacre: as you see. It's not always easy to describe what's going to happen when I go on stage. Cause sometimes. 

[00:15:21] Matthew Holliday: I apparently I need to go to the fetish ball. It sounds like you guys are having a great time 

[00:15:25] Natasha Nacre: Oh, you need to go. It is definitely one of the biggest and best events on the east coast. 

[00:15:31] Matthew Holliday: I see you also have a clips for sale store. 

[00:15:35] Natasha Nacre: It's been a little while since I've actually uploaded anything because the grand majority of the clips on my clips for sale is Vore and face stuffing. And there's only so much I can stuff in my face, gaggle on the, to like run out of things. Like I can only only create some of these storylines about devouring, gummy bears until I'm just stuck with writer's block. 

[00:16:07] Matthew Holliday: Yes. I'm sure that is exactly the problem. 

[00:16:10] Natasha Nacre: It is. I love it. I love to entertain, even if it's just in front of my camera at home. I can only eat so much candy. 

[00:16:20] Matthew Holliday: I guess you're not wrong. 

[00:16:22] Natasha Nacre: I will get back to it. Just, just, I got a little burnt out. I need a little break. 

[00:16:29] Matthew Holliday: That's fair. I noticed you mentioned a hot wax on your tongue too. And the sword swallowing. I feel like I'm noticing a pattern here. 

[00:16:38] Natasha Nacre: I do have an odd fascination with my own mouth. Really? If you look at some of my images, there's always me sticking my tongue out, showing off my things, sticking something in my mouth. I don't know what it is, but I, I and other people are fascinated by my mouth. 

[00:17:01] Matthew Holliday: You know, everybody's fascinated with something. I am certainly not going to yacht carry I'm on. This is, so the more thing is more because of your own fascination with your mouth. Not because you're trying to exploit a certain like narrow 

[00:17:15] Natasha Nacre: No, no, no, no. That it wasn't planned. That was another thing not planned. The whole story of how eclipse for sale came to be is I was a dancer. And then I quit because of some drama with the clubs, not worth mentioning, but I still needed that sexual outlet. So I decided I would make clips, but I had no idea what to do. 

So I was doing things like putting chocolate syrup on my feet, popping balloons, just kind of doing everything, throwing everything out there and seeing what stuck. And then I started to get responses like, oh, I really liked your face. Can you do clips showing me. Your face focusing on your face. Of course, absolutely. 

So I do that. And then I get the response of, can you do things with your lips? Can you put lipstick on, can you just make faces with your lips? Certainly I do that. And then I get comments saying, can you open your mouth? Can you show off your teeth? Can you show off your tongue? Totally. 100%. And then can you eat things? 

Can you swallow things? Oh yeah. I'm practiced at that. I can do that. And for a short time, I was number one under clips for war and face stuffing. And it took a lot, a lot of time, a lot of effort. I was uploading every day. I was recording every day. I was very proud of it, but like I said, I got a little burnt out. 

[00:18:56] Matthew Holliday: Yeah. I can see where that sort of thing doing it every day. How so? I assume you worked your way, like all the way through all the types of food from, you know, clean to slimy and messy to like, Hmm. 

[00:19:15] Natasha Nacre: Oh, yes. 

[00:19:16] Matthew Holliday: Interesting. Is there one that's more popular than the other it's like they like prefer to see like pudding or do they prefer to see like gummy bears or what. 

[00:19:26] Natasha Nacre: I think my, my top selling ones are probably with the octopuses there, there were little steamed octopuses. I got at the local Asian market and I was able to move them around in my mouth as if they were still alive. So there, there is a niche upon the niche that is interested in more. Wiggly snacks, but that is not something I do. 

So if I can fake it, I will do it. If it's something I can get at the grocery store, I can do it. 

[00:20:03] Matthew Holliday: Interesting. 

[00:20:05] Natasha Nacre: That's all I'll say about that. 

[00:20:07] Matthew Holliday: No, I find this super fascinating. I mean, I get it, you know, we've all something like 80% of men have a fetish. Most of us have our thing and that's the whole point of a fetish, right? Is it something that most other people find weird? But I just find this so fascinating. 

[00:20:22] Natasha Nacre: Oh, it is. It is very fascinating. And it's a very broad subject there. Like just about everything can be a fetish. It can be a body part. It can be an act. It can be an object. It can be a sound. It can be like, just, just anything, anything that can elicit you know, a sexual response can be a fighter. 

[00:20:48] Matthew Holliday: Right. So, Hmm. So working as a nude model, you're in some ways already supplying, I mean, there's, there's, there's photographers that are doing this for our purposes, but even photographers that are typically doing it for art purposes. There's a reason they chose this as their creative, artistic outlet. 

[00:21:12] Natasha Nacre: Right. 

[00:21:13] Matthew Holliday: Yeah. 

[00:21:14] Natasha Nacre: Who doesn't like seeing naked women or men. You're not penciled. You like 

[00:21:19] Matthew Holliday: I mean, yeah, yeah. That's right. There's some about, you know, clean lines. 

[00:21:26] Natasha Nacre: curves. 

[00:21:27] Matthew Holliday: Yeah. I feel like a lot of models compartmentalize where they're like, oh no, this is art. This is porn. Even though generally speaking. I mean, photographers do that to photographers like, oh no, I shoot art nude. This is not prurient or whatever adjective you want to use. 

[00:21:53] Natasha Nacre: Absolutely. And art is entirely in the eye of the beholder. So, you know, maybe that's true. Maybe, you know, deep within your heart. You believe this is only for creative enjoyment. Come on. Know there is somebody out there who's really liking what you do. 

[00:22:14] Matthew Holliday: And I mean, it almost has to be that way, 

[00:22:16] Natasha Nacre: Oh, totally. 

[00:22:17] Matthew Holliday: art, there's not a big enough market. 

[00:22:20] Natasha Nacre: No. If it was just art, you wouldn't need a model. You could take a picture of a tea cup and be able to have the composition done so well that it's fabulous, but it's not really what people want to see. They want the voyeuristic appeal of it. 

[00:22:34] Matthew Holliday: That's something that as a photographer, I've struggled with. When I think about approaching models, it's super easy. Well, now it's a little easier now that I've done it several times, but it's easier to approach a model for an art nude style shoot, because that's more commonly accepted 

[00:22:51] Natasha Nacre: Mm, 

[00:22:52] Matthew Holliday: when you're thinking about this sort of thing. 

When you're working with a new photographer, do you prefer that they do like an art nude style model shoot. First, if they have, if they want to do other more fetishy content or would you prefer that they just kind of spill it out all at once and be like, I want to take pictures of your feet. 

[00:23:09] Natasha Nacre: I prefer they be blunt about it. I would much rather know exactly what I'm walking into than being told. Okay, it's going to be this way. And then I show up and I'm feeling no, actually the energy is a little bit different. This isn't exactly what I was saying. 

[00:23:28] Matthew Holliday: No. Yeah, I understand that. I didn't, I was not advocating for a bait and switch. I was more advocating for a kind of a, kind of a tiered approach. Like let's get to know each other first, before I tell you that I want to see the inside of your mouth. 

[00:23:44] Natasha Nacre: If, if it was, yeah. If we started with doing like some nude artwork and then after a while they brought up, oh, would you be interested if we focused on, you know, X, Y, Z then yeah. I might feel a bit more comfortable with them because we already have that repertoire before. 

[00:24:05] Matthew Holliday: Yeah, that kind of happened to me with like the third model I shot with or something we were finishing up or kind of hanging out and talking and she just dropped that she did fetish work as well. And I realized afterwards, I was like, oh, I think she was suggesting if that's what I wanted to shoot, then she was open to it. 

[00:24:25] Natasha Nacre: Right. 

[00:24:26] Matthew Holliday: So she definitely kept her identities separate. Speaking of, is that something you, I assume your real name is not Natasha and they agree 

[00:24:36] Natasha Nacre: it might be, it might not be 

[00:24:40] Matthew Holliday: it's important to keep up the illusion. 

[00:24:42] Natasha Nacre: right. I do like to have a little bit of separation just because one side of me is a little bit more exciting than the other side of me that is hanging out at home cleaning the litter box. 

[00:24:59] Matthew Holliday: I saw a tweet about that today that said, I didn't know. So many single women went to bed at 8:00 PM or something. And I'm like, yeah. Yeah. That's, that's the illusion, real women versus exciting. 

[00:25:12] Natasha Nacre: Right. It's I've had some people meet me and be disappointed because, oh, I thought you would be, you know, this really loud, tall woman that had slaves walking on all fours behind them, like, Nope, I'm just here in this oversized. T-shirt chilling. 

[00:25:33] Matthew Holliday: I mean, 

[00:25:33] Natasha Nacre: Really not, 

[00:25:34] Matthew Holliday: it's really hard on their knees to have them following you all day long. 

[00:25:39] Natasha Nacre: I mean, whatever, that's their job. Okay. Maybe sometimes they do that, but 

[00:25:49] Matthew Holliday: What is your favorite thing about? Well, let's talk, let's talk about each of them individually. What's your favorite thing about the clips for sale? 

[00:25:56] Natasha Nacre: just the diversity. There is so much you can do. And there's, yeah. There's so many different categories that you can explore. And of course having total control, it's just me in front of my camera, typically in my bedroom. It's very freeing. I just, I love it. I can't get enough of it, even though, like I said, I'm burnt out right now. 

It's the best. I totally recommend it. If that's something somebody was interested in 

[00:26:25] Matthew Holliday: How about performances? 

[00:26:27] Natasha Nacre: the attention. Oh, in the shock, I guess that's attention. Attention. 

[00:26:33] Matthew Holliday: That's fair. I I didn't get into theater until my junior year in high school, but I was like, oh, why didn't I do this? I love being on stage. 

[00:26:42] Natasha Nacre: Yeah. I didn't start performing or doing really anything that brought focus on me until maybe seven or eight years ago. 

I never really. I thought that was, I never really thought about it. And then an opportunity came up and then that's all history. 

[00:27:01] Matthew Holliday: So you have not been craving attention all of your life. 

[00:27:06] Natasha Nacre: Well, as I think back my, my appearance. Okay. Yeah, maybe I'm a bit of, you know, it's a terrible word, but attention whore. Yeah. I totally, I, I love attention. I want attention all the time. Yes. 

[00:27:22] Matthew Holliday: At what age did you kind of realize that this was kind of be your life trajectory? 

[00:27:27] Natasha Nacre: Probably my late twenties. I just realized that the conventional workforce wasn't for me, for many different reasons, I needed flexibility in my schedule. I needed to have my own personality because it was going to come out one way or another. 

And luckily I had always worked in environments that I was, I don't know. 

Oh, a lot of my shenanigans. I'm surprised I didn't get written up and sent to HR, but, 

[00:27:59] Matthew Holliday: so it sounds like an office job. 

[00:28:01] Natasha Nacre: A lot of retail 

[00:28:03] Matthew Holliday: Oh, okay. 

[00:28:04] Natasha Nacre: and I don't really like being told what to do. So 

[00:28:09] Matthew Holliday: Hmm. 

[00:28:11] Natasha Nacre: I'm much better telling people what to do. Don't tell me what to do. It doesn't go well. 

[00:28:15] Matthew Holliday: be in charge. I see. 

[00:28:17] Natasha Nacre: Yes, it's better for everyone. 

[00:28:21] Matthew Holliday: I can definitely say I've worked a lot of office jobs. I've worked a lot of restaurant jobs. I've worked a little bit of retail. 

[00:28:28] Natasha Nacre: I don't recommend it. Don't do it. No, it's terrible. 

[00:28:33] Matthew Holliday: Yeah. Office jobs are super buttoned up. I remember working my first office job and my early twenties and I just come out of a restaurant. So as you still like the restaurant, you know, just atmosphere, like, you know, people are grabbing people's butts. 

[00:28:46] Natasha Nacre: It's a little different. 

[00:28:47] Matthew Holliday: yeah. It's a lot different. So it, yeah, I definitely had a speaking to, by somebody that was like, you can't act that way here. 

[00:28:58] Natasha Nacre: I had a few times of being told you know, your appearance need to dial it down. You can't have so many piercings, you can't have colored hair. And my response would be I'm finding another job. Bye bye. So she does not look good on your resume. Don't yeah. 

[00:29:14] Matthew Holliday: That's so they wouldn't let you wear your face. 

[00:29:19] Natasha Nacre: You know, I don't think anyone ever really mentioned it 

[00:29:21] Matthew Holliday: That's funny. 

[00:29:22] Natasha Nacre: and mentioned the things they just, I think, pretended that wasn't happening. 

[00:29:27] Matthew Holliday: Wow. Hmm. Kind of actually, I know, I didn't give you any questions on this, but now I'm kind of thinking about if you had to have a day job while you're modeling retail or retail, or, oh, I don't know. Which would be a better type of job to have if you couldn't, if you're trying to make an, a modeling, but you weren't there yet. 

[00:29:52] Natasha Nacre: What kind of day job would be a good fit. 

[00:29:54] Matthew Holliday: Yeah. What kind of dates? I'll be the judge. Cause like a restaurant job you'd have to work Friday and Saturday nights. Usually if you're dancing the same thing, it's mostly evenings. If you're working retail, it can be any time. If you're working an office job, it's pretty standard nine to five. When do you get most of your modeling? 

Is I mostly like Monday through Friday, nine to five? Or is it mostly in the evening? 

[00:30:18] Natasha Nacre: Me personally, 

[00:30:19] Matthew Holliday: Yeah, 

[00:30:21] Natasha Nacre: it tends to be in the afternoon evenings because photographers usually have the nine to fives. 

[00:30:29] Matthew Holliday: well, we have to afford all that stupid camera 

[00:30:31] Natasha Nacre: those camera equipment is expensive 

[00:30:34] Matthew Holliday: Ridiculous, ridiculous, 

[00:30:38] Natasha Nacre: and I'm not a morning person or really date versus 

[00:30:41] Matthew Holliday: So there's some selection bias, like can we shoot at 10? I'm not, I'm not awake. 

[00:30:49] Natasha Nacre: yeah, I'll be wide awake in the evening. I'll be fine before then really would prefer not to, 

[00:30:56] Matthew Holliday: Alright. Right. 

[00:31:00] Natasha Nacre: but then there's the lighting, you know, you want to get like the good light. So that's during the day, which yeah. Anyways, 

[00:31:06] Matthew Holliday: can be, can me, you know, there's nothing, just nothing as good as window light. It seems. 

[00:31:11] Natasha Nacre: right? Yeah. So clean 

[00:31:14] Matthew Holliday: How do you determine which specific gig to focus on at once? Do you do like look at the demand and how much you're making off each one? Is it more of like a creative? What do you feel like at the moment? 

[00:31:25] Natasha Nacre: you see to answer that question. I would have to have insight with business sense behind it. And that's something I'm just starting to realize. 

So I have big plans for next year. Right now. It's definitely just going with the demand as opposed to going over. What's has the highest return. So I'm not the right person to ask. Really, if you want business waste, don't ask me right now. 

[00:31:56] Matthew Holliday: You know what though? That's the vast majority of models. Most models don't have a business plan. They don't have really long-term, you know, I'm going to try and get so many gigs this year. So therefore I'm going to advertise here, here, and here, and I'm going to do this social media stuff. That's a, there's not very many models to really do that. 

[00:32:18] Natasha Nacre: I have just started to realize that that isn't necessarily. 

So that is going to be a change in my own personal life. And people are going to be able to see that because there's going to be more images, more content coming out in the next month or so, and hopefully it will be what's the word? 

Continuous routine on a schedule frequent, much more frequent. 

[00:32:43] Matthew Holliday: Yeah, I can't stand. I know that I, for example, I know that I should be posting a lot more on social media to drive more engagement. So the podcast and get more listeners and eventually make enough money that I can quit my stupid job, but I'm not doing that. So 

[00:33:00] Natasha Nacre: well sit down, write out a plan, 

[00:33:03] Matthew Holliday: yeah, I did actually I am, well, I need to actually do it, but I'm going to start like posting a couple of days before the podcast comes out. Post the day the podcast comes out post a week after the podcast comes out, try to generate more activity, get it on more people's radar. For sure, I need to look at more advertising. 

I know I tried to advertise it and Instagram and they refused it multiple times because it deals with adult work. So if I need to try 

[00:33:31] Natasha Nacre: I think you could sneak it in though. I think you could sneak it in with the right words and images 

[00:33:38] Matthew Holliday: Yeah, well, now I'm going to go back and take a look at the some of the images that people gave me. I'm like, no, that 

[00:33:47] Natasha Nacre: a little bit much. 

[00:33:49] Matthew Holliday: a little bit much. Yeah. I mean, some of them, some of them are definitely doable. Like, Kirk Ruger has a very sedate picture. 

[00:33:57] Natasha Nacre: Oh  

[00:33:57] Matthew Holliday: forbade gave me a lovely forbid. Fake gave me a lovely, not not inappropriate picture, but then some of them, some of them are definitely 

[00:34:06] Natasha Nacre: Going to have a few raised eyebrows. 

[00:34:09] Matthew Holliday: Well, yeah, maybe I should try that actually. Cause the Lee Richardson podcast just came out and he gave me a picture of him. And I don't think I mentioned nude anywhere in the post, 

[00:34:22] Natasha Nacre: Hey, there you 

[00:34:23] Matthew Holliday: although I did shoot myself in the foot a little bit by calling it the not safe for work photography podcast. 

[00:34:29] Natasha Nacre: Yeah. I was looking at that on my screen, but how do you get around that? Because everybody knows what that means. 

[00:34:36] Matthew Holliday: Yeah. Which gig is the best pain overall? You don't have to give me numbers. I don't need to know. I don't need to know your income. I'm just looking 

[00:34:47] Natasha Nacre: No, I have a side. I don't know. It's it's weird calling it a side. Because it's almost more of a lifestyle. I'm not really sure how 

[00:34:58] Matthew Holliday: you just get paid for sometimes. 

[00:35:00] Natasha Nacre: Pretty much. I've been calling it being a professional goddess. So it's not being a sugar baby. It's not being a dominatrix, but it's going out on the town with generally men who wants somebody of a certain personality and of a certain aesthetic. 

And that just happens to be me. So I get compensated for my time. I have a fabulous time and I just, I have no other way to describe it besides being a professional goddess and it's comes so naturally to me, I just fell into it. 

[00:35:42] Matthew Holliday: Yeah. 

[00:35:43] Natasha Nacre: Yeah. I had I had ended a relationship, but still wanted to today. You know, go out, do all the fun stuff with a partner, but at the same time, not have those messy emotions involved. So yeah, I signed up for a sugar baby website and chatted with a few people, met up with a few people, learned a few lessons along the way, and then started to notice this reoccurring theme of a, a certain type of gentlemen that would just want my company that would just want my company and maybe include a little bit of their fetish, whether it's something small, like, you know, could you wear a certain article of clothing? 

Could you do something during the nights? Like. I don't know, I don't want to call out any of my clients, but, you know, can you wear a certain type of lipstick that I just have this thing for? Like absolutely go out to dinner at a nice restaurant, wear bright red lipstick and get paid for it, honey. I can do that. 

It is wonderful. And I love it. 

[00:37:02] Matthew Holliday: Do you ever accept trade for work for any of the gigs? And if you do what kind of trade is required? 

[00:37:10] Natasha Nacre: absolutely. I do. Let's see, what have I done trading for? I've done. I've done trading for artwork. 

[00:37:20] Matthew Holliday: Hmm. 

[00:37:21] Natasha Nacre: I've done trade for, for auto care. I needed some auto work done and we came to an understanding I generally don't do trade for actual items because if I want something, I'll go out and get it. Unless it's, you know, this, this piece of artwork that I really like, then, you know, if it's a unique item possibly, but I'm definitely open to trade. 

Totally. 

[00:37:52] Matthew Holliday: Gotcha. In terms of modeling, what is this trade normally for something like lingerie or clothing, or 

[00:38:00] Natasha Nacre: Typically. Yeah. Typically laundry, clothing, shoes, things that are used during the shoot, but I can keep afterwards, I've gotten quite a few pairs of shoes that way. 

[00:38:14] Matthew Holliday: hopefully as I choose your life, 

[00:38:16] Natasha Nacre: Oh yeah. Oh yeah. A lot of really high heels stilettos. I love them. 

[00:38:21] Matthew Holliday: you know what you're, I'm sorry. 

[00:38:23] Natasha Nacre: oh, I have a huge collection of shoes. It's kind of problematic, but I love being tall. There's just something about. High heels and it straightens your back and you're like over six feet tall and it's wonderful. 

[00:38:38] Matthew Holliday: Yeah. I I'm just sitting here thinking if you're trying to build out your wardrobe through. And photography. You're going to end up with a million pairs of stiletto heels and clear platform, heels and thigh, high boots and stockings and lingerie. And you're like, I don't have a sensible piece of clothing and this whole thing. 

[00:39:03] Natasha Nacre: oh, absolutely. Yep. Totally. The only problem with doing trade for clothing is that if you wear it during one shoot, you don't really want to wear it at another shoot too. Cause then you're going to get similar images. So it's kind of a no. 

[00:39:22] Matthew Holliday: yeah, you almost need, you almost need clothing. That's generic in some ways that it kind of fades like plain white laundry or something so that nobody really notices the clothing. Hmm. 

[00:39:35] Natasha Nacre: Just something to keep in mind for other models that are, you know, jumping at the gun for clothing, is that, remember, you can only use it so many times until it starts becoming boring. 

[00:39:45] Matthew Holliday: Yeah, I think I remember seeing that they keep yelling at Kate Middleton or whatever, cause she keeps wearing the same outfit out in public multiple times. How 

[00:39:54] Natasha Nacre: has enough money. She can do whatever she wants. 

[00:39:57] Matthew Holliday: No, I know, but I'm just, I'm just amused that they expect you. If you're a rich to have a new set of clothing every single day. 

[00:40:04] Natasha Nacre: Right. 

[00:40:05] Matthew Holliday: I didn't, I didn't think that that applied to models too, but I guess it does, 

[00:40:09] Natasha Nacre: If you want to have unique distinctive images, then yeah. You can't wear the same pair of panties in each one. 

[00:40:16] Matthew Holliday: I guess it depends. Actually, if you're working with a fair amount of the guys with the camera, they may not care to like, what's your most transparent clothing. 

[00:40:27] Natasha Nacre: I've unfortunately only had. One incident with that. So 

[00:40:32] Matthew Holliday: Hmm. What 

[00:40:33] Natasha Nacre: not even going to talk about him. 

[00:40:35] Matthew Holliday: Are there other side gigs that you've done before that didn't pan out? Maybe they didn't pay enough. Maybe there wasn't enough. 

[00:40:41] Natasha Nacre: Absolutely. The first one that comes to mind, which was a total waste of time was trying to sell panties online. 

[00:40:49] Matthew Holliday: Really? 

[00:40:50] Natasha Nacre: Yes. I thoroughly researched it. I purchased everything needed like a vacuum sealer so that you received them nice and fresh and all the Meilleurs for it. And of course all the panties. I, little bit of information. 

I prefer to just wear black panties, but other people have others choices in colors. So I got like a whole rainbow and I advertised everywhere and got absolutely no interest. 

Total, total waste. 

[00:41:21] Matthew Holliday: interesting. 

[00:41:22] Natasha Nacre: I would do it like I would offer used panties, but I wouldn't put my effort into them. 

[00:41:29] Matthew Holliday: Interesting. 

[00:41:30] Natasha Nacre: Just did not work for me. 

[00:41:31] Matthew Holliday: And I just advertise them and leave it out there, but not actually purchase or do anything until somebody pays. 

[00:41:37] Natasha Nacre: Right, right. I would just have it as you know, oh. As an option, by the way, this is available, but not going out of my way to make everybody know about it because it's just not worth it. It wasn't for me, I'm sure it works for other people. Not for me. 

[00:41:54] Matthew Holliday: So have you ever read the four hour workweek? 

[00:41:57] Natasha Nacre: Yes. 

[00:41:58] Matthew Holliday: Right. So there was one of the things in there where he talks about setting up an online business, where he talked about putting advertising a product you don't have yet. And then when you go to it, there's like a email address or something. And that way you can build a list of people that want the product before you offer it. 

So it sounds like, kind of the same thing. You just put it up there and you're like, Hey, for 50 bucks you can have these or whatever is a reasonable price for. 

[00:42:23] Natasha Nacre: Absolutely. I think that makes a lot of sense. I've had people contact me saying that they want to purchase merchandise, like, like a poster with my image on it. And I've gotten that quite, quite frequently, but at the same time, I haven't acted on it. So something I got to get on, 

[00:42:42] Matthew Holliday: We talked about the gigs that didn't pan out. How did you find out about each type of gig, but the ones that you pursued and the ones you decided not to pursue? 

[00:42:50] Natasha Nacre: You know, it really would have been helpful if I knew somebody that was actually involved in this, in any of the gigs, I decided to pursue 

[00:43:00] Matthew Holliday: Hmm. 

[00:43:00] Natasha Nacre: a lot of it was just trial and error, just my own mind or coming across something and thinking, oh, I could do that. And then giving it a shot and learning. All by myself, what works, what doesn't work. I really wish there was a book out there that would just explain here's how you do this correctly. Here's how much you should charge for this, because trying to figure it out, just all alone on your own can be a little bit daunting and make a lot of mistakes, but Hey, I'm still alive. So whatever it worked out, 

[00:43:39] Matthew Holliday: that's good. That'd be a little worried or like Natasha, the Washington DC ghost. 

[00:43:45] Natasha Nacre: right. Not ready for that reincarnation. Not yet. 

[00:43:50] Matthew Holliday: Yeah. There are some, there are some, I guess classes and things about being a nude art model, but, and there's some, I definitely seen some recently about how do you get started in only fans, but some of the stuff you're doing on the side doesn't really have, it's not as documented. It's a lot more subculture. 

[00:44:07] Natasha Nacre: It is. There's definitely this. This web of secrecy about it. A lot of people don't want to talk, especially those that are, that have found them to be profitable. They don't want to tell their secrets. They don't want to tell other people how they got into it or what works for them. And me. Maybe I'm ruining it for them. 

But if somebody comes to me and says, Hey, I'm interested in this. I am an open book. I've had so many women come to me and say, Hey, I'm interested in doing an only fans. I'm interested in doing clips for sale. I'm interested in becoming a dominatrix. What do I do? And I will straight up tell them, okay, here's what you need to know. 

These are the pros. These are the cons. These are the things that you need to keep in mind before you even like, take a step in this direction. And then when you go in that direction, I will tell you all about it. I'll tell you my experience. I'll tell you what works for me, because I feel like. The world is big enough for all of us. 

There's enough diversity that it shouldn't be a secret. It shouldn't be this thing that we have to just trip over ourselves to figure out like, you know, one person might like red head who is, I don't know. I mean, and smoke cigarettes. Maybe that's like one person's big thing. I'm not that person. 

So if she knows my secrets for what works for me, you know, how does that stop me from me doing what I'm doing? I don't know. That was a bit of a rambling thought, but hopefully, 

[00:45:53] Matthew Holliday: but yeah, it's this type of thing is so personal. know, my thing, my, my thing is, you know, librarian teacher is looking girls that are burnouts or redheads and, you know, a busty blonde that may be somebody else's 10, I'm simply not interested in. 

[00:46:12] Natasha Nacre: my thing, 

[00:46:12] Matthew Holliday: Seriously. See, but now we can share, you can have the busty blonde, I'll take the librarian, 

[00:46:22] Natasha Nacre: Right. You seem like there's enough for everybody to go around. There is something that interests everybody. The rule is big enough for all of us to fit in it and be profitable. 

[00:46:36] Matthew Holliday: Otherwise, can you imagine how awful that would be if we all just love Brad Pitt and Brad Pitt just sat there in the middle, like ha ha. 

[00:46:43] Natasha Nacre: Right? Like that's the best thing ever. That's it at is all like how boring? 

[00:46:48] Matthew Holliday: Yeah. I mean, despite what all the insults say just about everybody gets laid before. 

[00:46:54] Natasha Nacre: Hey, I mean, there is somebody out there for everybody. I believe that maybe not in a romantic sense, but at least to get you over. 

[00:47:04] Matthew Holliday: We can solve that problem for a yeah. Alright. 

[00:47:06] Natasha Nacre: Hey, I mean, the sex industry exists for a reason. It's because there is a want for it 

[00:47:15] Matthew Holliday: Yeah. 

[00:47:16] Natasha Nacre: and we're all human. So do it. 

[00:47:18] Matthew Holliday: So for this type of gig work, how did you determine your boundaries? Did you kind of decide to jump all in and try it all out? Or were you like I'm going to stick my toe in and do some modeling, then I'm going to stick my foot in up to the ankle and do some clips for sale or something. 

[00:47:36] Natasha Nacre: Boundaries are such a difficult thing to set before you actually put yourself in the situation. I think the biggest thing somebody can take away from learning their boundaries is the ability to say no. So, you know, you may know, okay. I don't like doing this. I don't like doing that, but then you go out and you experience. 

Something. And then you realize, you know what, I don't like when this person talks to me in this way for maybe I don't like when I'm wearing this thing, like along the way, you will learn where your boundaries are. Even if you think they're crystal clear at the beginning, it's going to change. So finding your boundaries, knowing exactly where your boundaries are, I don't think is, is rational because it's going to change just as you, as a person is going to change. 

[00:48:34] Matthew Holliday: Yeah. Does that make sense, 

[00:48:36] Natasha Nacre: I know that when, like I started dancing, I danced in Virginia. I wasn't, I wasn't just 

[00:48:43] Matthew Holliday: Virginia? Super strict on that? Yeah, 

[00:48:46] Natasha Nacre: right. I could do 

[00:48:46] Matthew Holliday: not that I know anything about that. 

[00:48:48] Natasha Nacre: I had no problem doing nude modeling, but for some reason, dancing, fully nude. It's just, I couldn't articulate it, but it wasn't something. I was comfortable with, but now, now oh yeah. 

Like I have no problem getting naked and dancing. Like, that's one of my favorite things to do. I don't know if that answers the question, but that's my answer. 

[00:49:12] Matthew Holliday: Well, but it is interesting because again, that's something that I've been hearing different things from models, where I think I've only had one model who prefers to have photographers, push your boundaries. She uses them where she, if she trusts the photographer, I'm not, you know, not some random Joe off model may have or whatever, but if she trusts the photographer, she'll let them push her boundaries. 

She uses them as kind of a, as kind of a method of going where she wants to go, but she's not quite willing to expressly come out and do it. But most other models have been more like, no, this is my boundary. It's hard. Do not push it, do not touch it. So, 

[00:49:53] Natasha Nacre: I think I'm very situation. Like I've had some photographers that I'm like, I'll do anal toys with. I'm comfortable doing that with them. I'm not going to do that with other photographers though. 

[00:50:07] Matthew Holliday: yeah. 

[00:50:08] Natasha Nacre: Some photographers I'm comfortable working with other models with some photographers. I just don't have that energy there. 

I don't feel comfortable interacting with other models with them. So having boundaries can totally be dependent on the moment. 

[00:50:26] Matthew Holliday: Yeah. I think that's something that's probably not, I mean, that's true of everybody. A lot of, I know a lot of people, especially when they're dating, get really upset about that. They're like, oh, you know, well, I dated her and she wouldn't do this, but she did this with somebody else. And guys get really butthurt about. 

[00:50:43] Natasha Nacre: Yeah. 

[00:50:43] Matthew Holliday: And I feel like photographers have the same problem too. And they don't really examine themselves. They don't really examine kind of the sentence setting. They don't examine. What was the feel like? Was it, was it clinical? Was it, you know, comfortable and trusting? How were you acting? 

[00:50:59] Natasha Nacre: Absolutely. What is the relationship she had with that photographer as compared to you? Maybe with her, with them, it was more friendly with you. It's more professional. These, I don't think you should be judging somebody else's boundaries without knowing the full picture. And you shouldn't know the full picture. 

That's their business. Not yours. 

[00:51:22] Matthew Holliday: yeah. Yep. Yep. right. We're running out of time. We've got a, we're gonna skip most of the rest of these questions. I haven't asked this. 

[00:51:32] Natasha Nacre: Yeah. 

[00:51:33] Matthew Holliday: Because this is one that somebody called me out on Instagram correctly, that we don't spend enough time talking about kind of mental health and it's all work. So what do you do? 

What's your self care routine after a particularly intense scene and you know, that can be personal. That can be a professional scene. 

[00:51:52] Natasha Nacre: Yeah, for me I just, me as a person, I do have a lot of well, I guess, you know, clinically mental disorders. So I have to be careful with my mental health and when it comes to photography, I love performing. I love being in front of a camera, but it's also very draining for me. It's very emotionally draining. 

So if you ever work with me and we do like a long shoot, you'll notice after a few hours that I will become, I try not to be snappy, but I run low on energy. I get tired. I get grumpy. So after a shoot, Generally any shoot, but particularly long ones, meditation, self care, like doing face masks, just being alone, listening to music, making sure that I'm properly hydrated, that I've eaten, that I've taken my meds sometimes smoke up a little, you know, whatever I gotta do to relax. 

I love modeling. I love performing, but if I'm not in the right place physically or mentally, I can't do it. So it is such a huge part of it is the things that happen behind the scenes. What happens before the shoot? What happens after the shoot? And yeah, I, yeah, rambling again. I apologize. 

[00:53:15] Matthew Holliday: I definitely, I mean, you probably noticed we shot together, you know, in case people don't notice. Number one, I do tend to be shy amongst people that I don't know. I'm, I'm definitely a what can I think of the word introvert? 

[00:53:29] Natasha Nacre: Yeah. You kept to yourself, you were doing your own 

[00:53:31] Matthew Holliday: Yeah. And I can only spend so much time being social 

[00:53:35] Natasha Nacre: Yes. 

[00:53:36] Matthew Holliday: I have to withdraw and yeah, like all day shoots, like they were, they were like, let's go, let's keep going. 

You know, they had beers in the cooler and they looked like they were ready to stay there all night. I was like two hours, two and a half hours. I'm like, I'm a little, I've hit, I've hit the top on my social meter and I'm ready to move on. 

[00:53:54] Natasha Nacre: Yeah. I think I lasted four hours during that shoot and you know, there was the part of me was like, okay, you don't actually get to do group shoots as often. You really should push yourself. You should do this. And then at the same time, there's the other rational part of me thinking, you know, there's no reason to push yourself. 

You got good images, you know, you're having fun. Why not leave on a high note? Why, why do you need to push yourself? There's always going to be more shoots. There's always. Like you can reach out to the photographers and say, Hey, would you like to shoot at another time? There's nothing wrong with putting your foot down and saying I'm done. 

[00:54:33] Matthew Holliday: Yeah. I think there was a lot of promotion. I'm not a lot of, well, probably a L a little bit of pressure, even if self applied, just because so many people signed up for it and it didn't show up. Yeah. 

[00:54:45] Natasha Nacre: And I know I've felt a little bit of I don't want to say competitiveness, but some models, well, they showed up and they knew what they wanted to do. You know, they had images in their mind. Like I brought this outfit, I want this picture. I want to do this for this. And I'm just there. Like I am here, I'm going to have fun. I don't know what's going on, but I'm trying my best. 

[00:55:12] Matthew Holliday: Well, I think we're just about done here. So Natasha, where can everyone find you online? 

[00:55:18] Natasha Nacre: I think the best thing to do is to Google Natasha and to create because all of my accounts are under that name. I've got Twitter, which is I think goddess, the, I have Facebook, which is Natasha Cree. I have Instagram, which I think is also Natasha Cree. I will be having other, other profiles in the future, but even then just Google Natasha CRI you will find them. 

That's all I'm 

[00:55:49] Matthew Holliday: Glitter kitty litter. I Google Natasha and a CRE. 

[00:55:55] Natasha Nacre: It's my YouTube. That's that's me and my random ramblings. 

[00:56:00] Matthew Holliday: Gotcha. 

[00:56:01] Natasha Nacre: something I really got to make a little bit more refined. Cause it really is just me talking the. Literally, 

[00:56:11] Matthew Holliday: the see the Reverend Campbell 

[00:56:13] Natasha Nacre: Yes. 

[00:56:14] Matthew Holliday: and your model mayhem. I'll have to I have to 

[00:56:16] Natasha Nacre: Oh my gosh. That is so 

[00:56:18] Matthew Holliday: time you logged in 

[00:56:19] Natasha Nacre: I don't even know if I remember the password 

[00:56:22] Matthew Holliday: last activity? November 10th, 2017? 

[00:56:25] Natasha Nacre: I told ya. I just never had any luck finding decent photographers on there. So kind of lost interest. 

[00:56:37] Matthew Holliday: Yeah. I, I had some luck finding models when I was down in Colepepper, but it's really, yeah, it's hit or miss center mess. 

[00:56:45] Natasha Nacre: Yeah. For me, finding photographers and people I want to work with, it's just been really word of mouth. You work with one photographer and they say, oh, I really like you to work with this model. And you talk to this model and she tells you about, oh, this photographer or this event coming up. 

[00:57:01] Matthew Holliday: Well, that's good. That was actually one of my questions we skipped. All 

[00:57:06] Natasha Nacre: will they find out about that? Yeah, just definitely staying social, keeping lines of communication. 

[00:57:12] Matthew Holliday: is hard. Why is being social so hard? 

[00:57:15] Natasha Nacre: Yeah. I feel like, I know some people have noticed that, oh, you like, you'll, you'll be really active on social media, but then you'll disappear for a couple of weeks. And I see, yeah, I, I get tired. I get like worn out. I need to disconnect from technology. It's, 

[00:57:33] Matthew Holliday: Yeah. 

[00:57:34] Natasha Nacre: you know, you need breaks every once in a while, 

[00:57:37] Matthew Holliday: I need to figure out how to take about two weeks off each a month. I think that'd be about right. 

[00:57:41] Natasha Nacre: right? 

[00:57:44] Matthew Holliday: All right. Any other projects you have in the pipeline that you'd like to put out there in the world? 

[00:57:49] Natasha Nacre: Not at this time because I have things in the works, but if you follow me on social media in a month or two, you will learn all about them. 

[00:57:58] Matthew Holliday: All right. That's that's your call to action. Follow me on social 

[00:58:03] Natasha Nacre: You got to stick around. 

[00:58:06] Matthew Holliday: All right. Well, and with that, we're done. Check us out@thensfwphotographypodcast.com on Twitter is at NSFW photography, Instagram at theme and SFW photography podcast. Subscribe on your favorite podcast app. Have a great week, everybody.